September 05, 2005
Why I'm still alive
Coffee-it's
what's for dinner:
Coffee not only helps clear the mind and perk up the energy, it also provides more healthful antioxidants than any other food or beverage in the American diet, according to a study released Sunday.
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In February, a team of Japanese researchers reported in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute that people who drank coffee daily, or nearly every day, had half the liver cancer risk of those who never drank it. The protective effect occurred in people who drank one to two cups a day and increased at three to four cups.
Last year, researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health found that drinking coffee cut the risk of developing the most common form of diabetes.
Men who drank more than six 8-ounce cups of caffeinated coffee per day lowered their risk of type 2 diabetes by about half, and women reduced their risk by nearly 30 percent, compared with people who did not drink coffee, according to the study in Annals of Internal Medicine.
And it tastes bettter than broccoli.
Hat tip: my mom.
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Interesting. I've only met one other person who preferred the smell of broccoli to the smell of coffee, and he turned out to be a paedophile.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 05, 2005 12:44 AM (VvIKz)
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See-Dubya:
Actually, I like broccoli. It's about my favorite vegetable, if you exclude potatos. Anyway, six cups of coffee is a lot, isn't it? I drink one very large mug of coffee in the morning, made with two large heaping scoops of beans. Since restaurant coffee tends to be a lot weaker than that, maybe my big cup is iquivalent to 4 or 5 regular cups. But if not, I'll have to step up the dosage.
The other thing that occurs to me is that they might not have run a regression that included other independent variables, such as weight. And the coffee and weight variables might be very highly, and negatively, correlated. (The more coffee you drink the thinner you are.)
Anyway, a high correlation between coffee drinking and resistance to Diabetes Type 2 doesn't necessarily imply that the coffee is a cause of the resistance. For that they'd need a panel study, and my guess is they didn't spend that kind of money. You need pretty deep pockets to fund a panel study.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 05, 2005 08:47 AM (nCA/o)
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I hasten to add that broccoli doesn't smell very good, it just tastes good. And Brussel sprouts smell terrible as they're cooking, but also taste pretty good. Or the thing that appeals to me may be that eating broccoli and sprouts is like eating little trees and small heads of cabbage. It make me feel like shouting: "Fee, fie, foe, fum!" Or maybe watching all the little tiny Japanese people scurry away from me as I wade out of Tokyo Bay.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 05, 2005 08:55 AM (nCA/o)
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The only thing better than the smell of hot coffee is the smell of a hot gun, with traces of oil and powder smoke. A freshly fired shotgun shell is the best, with military propellants coming in second. Call me crazy, but if you haven't tried it, you should.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 09:11 AM (0yYS2)
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I can see IM climbing out of bed, stretching his arms and saying, "Ah. I love the smell of napalm in the morning." (Just yankin yer chain, IM) ;-)
Posted by: Oyster at September 05, 2005 09:27 AM (YudAC)
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Well, it does smell like victory...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 03:03 PM (0yYS2)
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I dont drink coffee but in the winter when its cold i drink hot cocoa and it beats that nutricious puke stuff the health freaks want us to drink
Posted by: sandpiper at September 05, 2005 08:52 PM (JyNSh)
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Ans Mrs Olson is a good lady her coffee is saving lives and throw in a little credit to juan valdez and his donkey
Posted by: sandpiper at September 06, 2005 09:08 AM (O2c+K)
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I like bitter and tart tastes, so coffee is right up my alley, but hold the cream and sugar, and if you can't stand a spoon in it, it's too weak!
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September 04, 2005
A Case of Tranquil Blindness at APSA
Yesterday I attended a panel at the APSA convention, chaired by Robert A. Pape, with the grandiose title:
Suicide Bombing, Counter Terrorism and Mobilizing a New Generation of Bombers. From the title one might be forgiven for thinking the authors were sponsored by Al Qaeda or Hamas, but of course they meant to be ironic. And what, you might ask, does irony really contribute to such a serious topic? Nothing, I should think. But it probably makes the researchers feel better about their rather thin analysis. As one might expect (and with a couple of exceptions) it was a Bush-bashing party.
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I read Pape's pap, (sorry, couldn't resist), and basically it's the same apologetic drivel, though he manages to keep it refreshingly conspiracy free and actually comes close to making a case. Apparently he thinks if we just surrender it'll all be okay and we can all get along. He should be hanged with the rest when the time comes.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 12:02 AM (0yYS2)
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Gosh, I've only got one reader. Where is everybody?
Improb:
I think Pape is correct that suicide bombings are implemented as part of a rational campaign to get land concessions, but that's pretty much the first objective of any aggressor in a war. It does not follow that being rational about promoting and utilizing a belief system to obtain a rational goal necessarily means that the beliefs themselves are rational.
In addition, Pape acknowledges that surrendering land or making concessions sends terrorists the wrong message, yet he still inexplicably supports a US pullout, which would be regarded by the terrorists as a huge victory for their side and would probably result in at least some big territorial concessions, if not control of most of Iraq in the long run.
The irony is that Pape's policy recommendations don't seem rational to me, nor do those of Bloom. They're more like wishful thinking, or what Lloyd Cohen calls "a lust for peace."
Posted by: Demosophist at September 05, 2005 08:33 AM (nCA/o)
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That's my whole point, even though he gets most facts right, he still manages to reach the wrong conclusion. I have come to learn that this is the latest permutation of liberal propaganda; they can no longer lie boldly as they once could, so now they simply use real facts and twisted logic to reach the opposite conclusion of what reason dictates.
For propaganda to work, it requires belief in a lie, and all radical ideologies have a Big Lie, which is made of many little lies, at their base. People who buy into the Big Lie must avoid truth at every turn, and must even struggle against reality in order to maintain their belief in the Big Lie. The thing is, most people are only capable of lying to themselves for so long, then they must begin accepting the truth.
Once someone can be made to admit small truths, they can then be fostered toward greater truths, and they are then on their way to de-radicalization. The ironic thing is that it's the ex-radicals that are often the most vehement opponents of radicalism, because they've seen the truth of the ideology from the inside, whereas most people have only mild opposition to radicalism because they don't know how evil it truly is.
I think one important factor in fighing radicalism is to distinguish between social ideology and political ideology. For too long, the Dhimmicrats have used Marxist doctrine to turn social issues into political issues, and using them to muddy the waters of discourse and to polarize the populace into conservatives and liberals, with no room for moderates in either camp, and the result is that things only get worse rather than better.
I could go on for a while, but I have an appointment so I'll have to continue later.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 09:08 AM (0yYS2)
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"They're like bullets."
Same with the hate preachers here in the US and those they're deporting from the UK. These messengers of doom are not as much part of the conflict as they are simply "assets" (like military recruiters), as you say that the actual suicide bombers are a different kind of asset like "bullets".
Nichole Argo's argument that the socio-economic status of these suicide bombers and the fact that they're "educated" is even remotely comparable to us is absolutely absurd. What kind of education? Over there religious indoctrination and religious implications are applied even to math studies. It skews every aspect of their education. If they're educated in western societies, their clerics and mosques, regularly visited, keep them on the path to radicalism and how to use what they've learned for their radical causes. The fact that our universities are so liberal doesn't put much of an obstacle in the way of their goals. In fact, it may even make it easier for them. They have many friends in our schools.
Socio-economic status? Middle class? As compared to what? Certainly not by western standards or values. How someone, supposedly respected in their field of study, can be so blatantly ignorant is beyond me.
Posted by: Oyster at September 05, 2005 10:31 AM (YudAC)
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Actually Oyster, most terrorist leaders do have very good Western educations, but they are still tribal savages at heart, and hate the West for our success when they realize the full scope of their own culture's failure. It's not that we succeeded that bothers them so, but that they have utterly failed. It's always easier to tear down than to build up, so if they wish to see islam, i.e. medieval Arab tribalism, dominate the globe, then rather than uplifting their own people, it's easier to kill ours, and then occupy the cities we built. They are parasites on global human society, and will never be made civilized, so they must be exterminated.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 03:28 PM (0yYS2)
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IM. I agree 100% with that assessment. I would direct you to a post I made myself with the very same argument: (I can't directly link to it because my site is deemed "questionable content". Mistake made a long while back that Rusty can't seem to correct. Just replace the (dot) with a real dot)
http://oyster(dot)journalspace.com/?entryid=1123
Posted by: Oyster at September 05, 2005 04:04 PM (YudAC)
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Envy is probably our oldest fault, and some people live their lives by the principle of envy. Hell, Marx even codified it, and the hatred it breeds. The current problems of humanity exist precisely because those who are envied are not truly as ruthless as the envious claim. If we just stop feeding the lazy bastards, they'll all die off, because they are incapable of feeding themselves it would appear.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 08:56 PM (0yYS2)
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I think you have completely misunderstood what happened in that room where I was as well. What you observed was a reflection of the fact that the people on that panel have worked together as terrorism experts for a long time (some for several years) and have a certain esprit de corps -- a la band of brothers.
This is particularly salient in that Ms. Argo, Dr. Hafez, and Dr. Pedazhur have all recently returned from high risk field work in gaza and the West Bank -- and all made it back in one piece. So your assertaion that the panelists did not demonstrate sufficient gravitas obviously shows you to be someone who never leaves their computer (thus the blog) and knows what it is like to be in a conflict or war zone.
The people who work in the field usually, nay have to, keep a certain light heartedness in order to do to their work. Have you ever seen the aftermath of a suicide bombing or talked to someone who has lost members of their family. It is excruciating to deal with this kind of trauma day in and day out. Whatever humor you observed was hardly the panelists making light, but rather a bi product of this high risk field work. You have no clue what kinds of risks these people take in order to get their interviews, collect their data, and present it in a way that is digestable to an audience. Your critiques are fatuous and inane.
Further asserting what Nichole said regarding the fact that "they are just like us" is not untrue. However once again you have distorted what she said for whatever reason, I don't know or care...Yes, many of the bombers are imbued with a seriously sick sense of the world, a skewed set of priorities, but in no way are the organizers and recruiters selecting on the craziest members of their society when the leaders of terrorists groups send them on their mission. They select on the more intelligent, more accomplished members of their society precisely to make apoint but also because a less accomplished and sane person is more likely to make a mistake and get caught -- I think you have done a great injustice by presenting and then mocking her in this fashion.
When you leave the comfort of your high speed connection to sneak into jails and meet with the families of bombers, taking on great personal risk by both the terrorist groups as well as the Israelis (e.g., if you get caught in a crossfire) then Mr. Demosphist then you have the bona fides to launch a critique or attack. Till then you should remain in awe of someone like Ms Argo who is getting the information no one else is (I certainly was!!).
Further, Dr. Pedahur and Arie Perlinger have been working on the hubs of terrorist networks and on terrorism writ large for several years. In all likehood Ronald Wintrobe got the ideas fromt hem and not the reverse. Just because you never read their work previously does not mean someone came out with the idea first. This is aganin a reflection of your lack of knowledge or understanding of how academia works. We work on the same subject for years, presenting at conferencdes and the like fo as much as four to five years before a book comes out -- especially if that work is in another language or based on foreign travel -- that is why so many people take 8 years to write a dissertation. Ami and Arie have written books about terrorism BEFORE 9/11 happened. Aha, there is the point, rather than the instapundits who have emerged since 9/12, these are serious scholars trying to elucidate the issues as well as work towards prevention of any further attacks.
Regarding your attack on Dr. Bloom, It is important to understand the long term and short term ramifications of counter terror policies. No one on that panel was happy about the war in Iraq an dit is ridiculous to make such a moronic assertion. From both the right and left sides of the political spectrum everyone understands that the American servicemen bravely fighting in Iraq are making the ultimate sacrifice (and what have you done Mr Blogger... ever enlist? Do you even leave the country?) What was said discussed that the war in Iraq might be engendering a whole new generation of bombers who would not just want to attack Americans there but travel to this side of the globe in London and Madrid style attacks.
For the purposes of your blog you have distorted what was said and most especially the spirit in which it was said to make it more interesting for the readers (why anyone would read this drivel remains a question however a response was appropriate for the falsehoods and exaggerations perpetrated in this blog).
I would hope that any serious student of terrorism would go to the conference website, read the papers for free (which you obviously did not) and make their own decisions about the quality of the research and the message of these empirical studies. You can find them at www.apsanet.org under the conference paper archive. And to your readers, read something valuable, this blogger is not worth your time.
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Afghanistan Donates to Katrina Relief
President Hamid Karzai has
signed a decree on behalf of the people of Afghanistan, allowing for the donation of $130,000 in disaster relief aid to the victims of Hurricane Katrina.
It's small when compared to the amount of U.S. foreign aid received by Afghanistan, but it's the thought that counts.
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Posted by: Bubbe at September 04, 2005 12:20 PM (cbAi4)
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at least their trying....moving in the right direction, anyways.
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We,ve helped them now their helping us good show
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thats awesome...as poor a country as Afghanistan is, war torn, still have the remains of the Taliban running around the countryside making trouble and they can still show gratitude for what the West has done for them,,,gave them freedon...wonder how much the French gave
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 04, 2005 09:26 PM (hcN1S)
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France didn't give any money, but they made an offer...
Btw, nice site aaron. It is great how even some of the poorer countries chipped in, and some of the other richer countries...well...
Posted by: Sheila at September 04, 2005 09:32 PM (MW0lp)
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I'd be happy if Afghanistan simply made a mutual defense agreement with India, just to piss off the Pakis.
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This brings tears to my eyes and hope to my heart that our efforts in Afghanistan are paying off. May we have a long and successful partnership with the Afghani people.
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Japanese Tourists Found Dead
(Kabul, Afghanistan) Tourists Jun Fukusho, 44, and Shinobu Hasegawa, 30, both junior high school teachers from Hiroshima,
disappeared on August 8 in southern Afghanistan. Their bodies,
confirmed by dental records, were found Thursday in a ditch outside Kandahar. According to the Japanese Foreign Ministry, both "had been
shot in the head point-blank."
While acknowledging that their deaths were brutal, senseless, and criminal, I have to seriously question the wisdom of touring Afghanistan while the country is at war.
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I've got to agree. It's not the safest place to be.
Posted by: RepJ at September 04, 2005 11:52 AM (M7kiy)
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Some people just ain't too bright. Hell, I don't even go to Atlanta in broad daylight, and I damn sure ain't gonna go to any muslim country without fire support on tap.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 01:18 PM (0yYS2)
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The Japanese like to get everywhere and don't seem to think much about consequences as long as they can take a few photos. Shosei Koda was another good example of this kind of folly.
Posted by: Jester at September 04, 2005 04:28 PM (QKZX5)
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And of course it's our fault.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 06:44 PM (0yYS2)
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if they wanted to take a look around they should have either had some local protection or looked into having some American troops guide them around...i mean, common sense, you dont go wandering around in a strange land knowing that there are unfriendlys around
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 04, 2005 09:28 PM (hcN1S)
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I think the problem with the Japanese is that they think the rest of the world is as safe as Japan, who are a civilized people. In truth most of the rest of the world is populated by bloodthirsty savages, and travelers forget this at their peril.
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Give till it hurts, then log it
I added the Jawa Report to The Truth Laid Bear's list of blogs that give to support hurricane relief. With Rusty away, I semi-arbitrarily picked the Baptists as a recommended charity. I expect they'll keep sober. In fact the Baptists won't even have sex standing up--because someone might think they're dancing. But whatever reputable charity you contribute to,
log your contribution here and tell 'em the Jawa Report sent you. (This is cool because, if nothing else, it tells people about the generosity of bloggers and blog readers.)
I'm afraid for some reason my own meager contribution didn't get counted--or actually that it got counted but didn't get noted in the Jawa file. So you be sure and make up for me.
PS And if you live in California, as I do, you're going to be sitting in the dust of your earthquake-flattened house some day soon, croaking with thirst while wildfires rage all around and a meth-crazed brigade of Latin Kings bikers carries away your womenfolk, and you'll be thankful you've set a precedent of charitable giving in time of disaster. (You'll also be thankful you invested in a surplus M14 and a thousand rounds of ammo, but give to the charity first.)
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Unfortunatly, We California Bloggers have to go to Nevada to get those surplus firearms. Then we get arrested or put on some kind of terrorist watchlist.
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Radicals on Film
I thought
this WaPo review of
the Constant Gardener was interesting. No way I'll see the movie; after falling asleep in
The Russia Houseand groaning through
The Tailor of Panama, I've given up on film adaptations of John LeCarre novels. They're awful. But it's interesting because the review starts with a long meditation on radicalism--specifically the distinctly uncomfortable, unsympathetic, borderline-mentally-ill personalities that are drawn to radical politics, and the way they show up in film:
This is actually a fairly common portrait in the movies. Think of the many other radicals the flicks have portrayed as loose cannons with messy lives, full of small treacheries against people while yapping moral triumphalism in favor of some mythical animal called The People.
Hollywood, the reviewer points out, doesn't make radicals particularly likeable. Even the supposedly heroic ones like Karen Silkwood come off as twitchy and priggish. And even friendly directors like Julie Taymor in Frida still make the title character seem like "a twisted sister off on a self-dramatization crusade, who used a bus accident as a tool for constant manipulation of those around her, turning many things into one-act plays starring her own self. Some would come away from that film thinking: She's not a part of the solution; maybe she is the problem."
The reason this reviewer likes The Constant Gardener so much is that it offers a different portrayal--a "countertheory"-- of a zealous radical:
...[F]ar from being a screwball angry at a vanished or indifferent parent taking her for granted, she has rational politics. They're cause-based, not anger-based. She's examined the policy, she's understood the science, she's read the documents, she sees the implications...[The film] holds that the radical is not a crazy hater who needs to tear down out of narcissism, to avenge her own slights. She takes no pleasure in destruction; it's that she takes no pleasure in injustice, and if she sees injustice everywhere, it's because injustice is everywhere.
Fine, the reviewer likes these noble, rational radical types. But that doesn't really comport with reality. I've known quite a few of these people in my short time on earth, and they're not pleasant. A desperate dedication to political change is unhealthy and often a cause or a symptom--I don't know which-- of a deeply disordered life. There's a reason Hollywood's attempted hagiographies of them can't make them seem likeable: they're not. The closer the films get to the truth, the less sympathetic their subjects appear. I won't be seeing The Motorcycle Diaries, but there's a reason they focus on young Che Guevara finding himself on a coming-of-age tour--because in later life, once politics consumed him, he was a doctrinaire, homicidal jerk who enjoyed shooting people who disagreed with him.
It's not just me and Hollywood that noticed this tendency of radicals--pick up a copy of Paul Johnson's Intellectuals. It's a historical account of the lives of people like Marx, Lenin, Brecht, Freud, even touching on Chomsky, and the way they actually lived. It's quite an eye-opener.
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My favorite radical on film portrayal is an old classic, Dr Zhivago. Laura's university boyfriend, a smug self-righteous little kutzy twit who transforms into the cold ruthless self-rationalizing ego-maniac executioner.
Posted by: hondo at September 04, 2005 03:16 AM (4Gtyc)
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See-Dub:
I'm sure you read my review of the film. Like you, I found both The Tailor of Panama and Russia House to be bad movies, but The Constant Gardener is for the most part a good drama with good direction and excellent performances.
As for the radical politics, they are there, but it's so over the top in the conspiracy paranoia that to someone like me (or you) who realizes that is all bullshit, it's easy to ignore. The movie just becomes a giant "X-Files" episode, except instead of the Government helping the Grays anal probe rednecks, the Government helps drug companies use Africans as test-subjects for flawed drugs. Real life isn't like that, so it's easy to treat the film's plot as a McGuffin.
Once you do that, there's a decent love story in there, and a great performance by Ralph Fiennes. I'm convinced that Rachel Weisz is nuts (ever see The Shape of Things? Do so), but she's supposed to be nuts in this movie. *Redeemable* nuts, but a little bent nonetheless. Basically, one gets the impression that her character is the living embodiment of the saying, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
Anyway, my two cents. I wouldn't let the politics turn you off, pal.
Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at September 04, 2005 08:29 AM (kc9zT)
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Yeah, Dr. Z. is my favorite too, but mainly for the plot and great acting, and it's a visually beautiful movie. However, Reds does a good job of showing the schizophrenia of the communist revolutionary mindset, although in a more flattering light than it deserves.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 08:29 AM (0yYS2)
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"It's a historical account of the lives of people like Marx, Lenin, Brecht, Freud, even touching on Chomsky, and the way they actually lived. It's quite an eye-opener."
how did chomsky 'actually live.'
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 10:31 AM (QPrcU)
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Hollywoods become the little nest of vipers and the nastiest of the vipers in micheal moore
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"how did chomsky 'actually live.'"
Better than he deserves, considering that he has never been a productive member of society, and far too long, in my humble opinion.
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"Better than he deserves, considering that he has never been a productive member of society, and far too long, in my humble opinion."
I liked his generative grammar. Started a whole lot of linguistics.
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 05:23 PM (QPrcU)
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I find it amazing that liberals spend so much time on counterproductive disciplines such as linguistics, various "studies" subjects, etc., and constantly complain that other people, i.e. conservatives, aren't doing enough to help "the poor". I never heard of anyone going to bed happy with a belly full of Marxist propaganda, or living in a house built by empty revolutionary rhetoric. Chimpsky and his ilk are parasites on society; they neither produce nor contribute, they simply consume and obstruct. They should be purged in the style of their beloved Comrade Stalin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 06:51 PM (0yYS2)
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"considering that he has never been a productive member of society"
CHOMSKY!! NOT PRODUCTIVE!!! His contribution to the sciences is more than this whole message board will ever do. He wrote a shit load of books, and his life is NOT disorderly at all.
Posted by: Jonathan Lenglain at September 04, 2005 07:10 PM (M4CxS)
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"I find it amazing that liberals spend so much time on
counterproductive disciplines such as linguistics, "
What?
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 07:44 PM (QPrcU)
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"CHOMSKY!! NOT PRODUCTIVE!!! His contribution to the sciences is more than this whole message board will ever do. He wrote a shit load of books, and his life is NOT disorderly at all."
Yes, his Universal Grammar theory and his support for red-fascism are propelling the human race toward the future!
/sarc off
Posted by: File Closer at September 04, 2005 08:02 PM (X989z)
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Yes, his Universal Grammar theory and his support for red-fascism are propelling the human race toward the future!
Do people really think that his linguistics is problematic, or even inconsequential?
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 08:21 PM (QPrcU)
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Tell ya what, as soon as Chumpsky reveals a new strain of wheat that will grow in the desert, or cures cancer, or simply fucking invents something useful, I will kiss his ass in Times Square on New Years Eve. Until then, he remains a parasite. Only liberals could think that such an intellectual vacuum is worthy of anything but a rope and a tree.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 12:07 AM (0yYS2)
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Actus wrote: "Do people really think that his linguistics is problematic, or even inconsequential?"
Some might indeed, but in any event I'd bet if he'd stuck to linguistics and not veered into fascist apologia, his career retropective after he dies might be free of that stain of constant support for the 20th Century's worst national-scale maniacs. The man's life and work since the late sixties have sullied any good he might have done earlier. It's really too bad. There are plenty of people I know who dismiss his theories out-of-hand because of the name attached to them. But that is really Chomsky's fault, now is it not?
If a movie of his life is ever made for wide distribution, you can imagine that it'll get the "Motorcycle Diaries" treatment, as discussed above. Early, interesting, groundbreaking Chomsky : in the film. Late period, paranoid, full-on whacked-out Chomsky : either glossed over or left out entirely.
To sum up: his political screeds these days ARE both problematic and inconsquential. No one but a tiny subset of an already small demographic read that stuff. Some of them (myself included)only did so as part of a class assignment, and I thank my local bookstore for its text buy-back policy.
Posted by: File Closer at September 05, 2005 12:08 AM (X989z)
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"Tell ya what, as soon as Chumpsky reveals a new strain of wheat that will grow in the desert, or cures cancer, or simply fucking invents something useful, I will kiss his ass in Times Square on New Years Ev"
His grammar has been useful to linguists. Helped to send Piaget packing. That's got to be a good thing.
'If a movie of his life is ever made for wide distribution, you can imagine that it'll get the "Motorcycle Diaries" treatment, as discussed abov'
There was a cartoon book called 'chomsky for begginers' that was half and half. Politics and science.
Posted by: actus at September 05, 2005 09:14 AM (QPrcU)
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IIRC, Paul Johnson didn't even mind Chomsky's linguistics. (His mention of Chomsky is in passing.) I don't pretend to understand whether it's right or not, but I'm willing to believe that it was good stuff and that he has the makings of a fine scholar. But his turn into radical politics--come on. If he weren't a linguistics professor at MIT, he would be just some guest blogger at Daily Kos.
Part of the tragedy is that his scholarship was derailed by his activism.
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I think that any scientific or artistic discipline not conceived in part or whole by the ancient Greeks, or which is not at least partly founded directly on concepts pioneered by them, is generally inconsequential in Western civilization, and by extension, in human culture, with a few notable exceptions such as Eastern philosophy. Linguistics is an interesting science, but it contributes to the advancement of humanity about as much as entomology.
I have a keen interest in language and words, because "words mean things", as it were, and how someone says something can tell you more than what they say, therefore I have a keen interest in linguistics, but Chomsky has perverted this discipline by inculcating Marxist dialectics into it, until his works are nothing more than bolshevik diatribes against the Western world. Ultimately he will be of no greater consequence than a madman raving on a streetcorner.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 03:43 PM (0yYS2)
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"I think that any scientific or artistic discipline not conceived in part or whole by the ancient Greeks, or which is not at least partly founded directly on concepts pioneered by them,"
And you think linguistics isn't so?
" Linguistics is an interesting science, but it contributes to the advancement of humanity about as much as entomology."
That's quite a lot.
" Chomsky has perverted this discipline by inculcating Marxist dialectics into it,"
you have no idea do you?
Posted by: actus at September 05, 2005 04:23 PM (QPrcU)
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Actus: IM is right. Sure, linguistics is an interesting and advantageous line of study. But when used "in" the manner and "for" the manner that Chomsky does it becomes sullied and only a means to an end. Not just for the pleasure of the science itself or for the good of all. For Chomsky sociolinguistics were primary to his spreading of his screed. Packaging his ideas in bright and shiny paper. Just don't open the package or ... boom!
Nuclear science is good when used to generate power for the masses, but when it's used to kill the masses, it ain't so noble, is it? Not the best analogy, but close.
Posted by: Oyster at September 05, 2005 05:01 PM (YudAC)
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"For Chomsky sociolinguistics were primary to his spreading of his screed.'
says who?
Posted by: actus at September 05, 2005 05:35 PM (QPrcU)
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I do hate to side with Actus in this but even Paul Johnson didn't fault his early linguistics scholarship. It's not like Johnson's just writing hit jobs on these people--he gives credit where credit is due. But if Chomsky's linguistics were really just a stalking horse for Marxism I think he'd have pointed that out.
But again, I'm not a linguist, nor have i ever taken a linguistics class. I have eaten linguini, however.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 05, 2005 06:14 PM (mOJjG)
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Actus, can you, or any other liberal, for Christ's sake, make a substantive argument? I write paragraphs, and you rebut with syllables. Sorry, but you don't win arguments by with "Nuh-uh, because I said so." So far you are a chihuahua barking at an elephant and thinking "take that!" as you sit back and congratulate yourself on your master stroke of irrefutable logic. The fact is, I can't refute anything you said, because you didn't say anything. Please, rebut me, prove me wrong. I beg you, because I hate talking to an empty chair. Let me begin.
I said: "I think that any scientific or artistic discipline not conceived in part or whole by the ancient Greeks, or which is not at least partly founded directly on concepts pioneered by them,"
You replied: "And you think linguistics isn't so?"
Damn right. The Greeks pioneered literature, drama, comedy, tragedy, etc., and elevated language to an art, but they didn't twist and torture their words to mean something other than their meaning, although they were fond of allegory. What I really had in mind though were things like physics and medicine, you know, real sciences.
I wrote: " Linguistics is an interesting science, but it contributes to the advancement of humanity about as much as entomology."
You replied: "That's quite a lot."
So how many men have entomologists put on the moon? How many diseases have they cured? How many wars have they won?
I wrote: " Chomsky has perverted this discipline by inculcating Marxist dialectics into it,"
You replied: "you have no idea do you?"
Well, one of us doesn't, and I'm betting on you. You're either clueless or dishonest, and neither is excusable.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 08:53 PM (0yYS2)
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The same bunch of hollywood freaks who denounce gun ownership are now making a movie THE LORD OF WAR just what a bunch of hypotcrits
Posted by: sandpiper at September 05, 2005 08:57 PM (JyNSh)
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"Damn right. The Greeks pioneered literature, drama, comedy, tragedy, etc., and elevated language to an art, but they didn't twist and torture their words to mean something other than their meaning, although they were fond of allegory."
What, in your mind, is linguistics? And you really think the greeks didn't look at anything like it?
"So how many men have entomologists put on the moon? How many diseases have they cured? How many wars have they won?"
There's a lot more to humanity than that. There is the production of agriculture,which, you may imagine, depends on knowing about insects and their infestations.
"Well, one of us doesn't, and I'm betting on you. You're either clueless or dishonest, and neither is excusable."
What kind of 'marxist dialectics' did Chomsky bring to linguistics?
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Part of Tall Afar now Short Afar
In one of the few pockets of fighting, insurgents fired seven rocket-propelled grenades at U.S. tanks from adjacent buildings in the western neighborhood of Qadisiyah. A U.S. jet destroyed much of the block with a 500-pound satellite-guided bomb, commanders said.
It sounds like we really roto-rootered an insurgent hive in Iraq, and that's some much-needed good news. Apparently Tall Afar was a mini-Fallujah 40 miles off the Syrian border that had gone unchecked for over a year.
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Jeff Harrell: Psychic?
I thought it was
a pretty bad joke--but just as he predicted, someone else who isn't joking said the same thing.
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Un-effing-believable. Man, the republicans are busier than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs these days. First, they created Katrina to wipe out N.O. and take the media focus off Sheehan. Since that has backfired on them and it, too, has been politicized, they had to off Rehnquist to distract us from N.O. Anyone care to divine the next step in their evil plan since they're onto the Rehnquist plot?
And if actus shows up - actus, this is called sarcasm.
Posted by: Oyster at September 04, 2005 06:56 AM (YudAC)
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Just freaking stupid I'm surprised the old man held on this long. He was a tuffie he was still working last week. Admirable.
Posted by: Howie at September 04, 2005 10:26 AM (D3+20)
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I read the posts; I would call their remarks "outraged glee", i.e., they're sure that Rove had him gacked, and they're glad because he was a conservative, but they're sure worse it to come. One commenter simply wrote "We are screwed". He's right, too, if things go as they should, but I'm afraid Bush will wimp out on us. I nominate Ann Coulter, but failing that, I'll settle for Fred Thompson.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 01:43 PM (0yYS2)
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Umm.. and which one of those metafilter posts, exactly, were you thinking is NOT joking? The sarcasm is pretty evident. Even though there's not, like, a smiley face, or a "J.K.", or anything.
Posted by: Jay Levitt at September 04, 2005 09:55 PM (11Q3k)
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Oh, I see. A double standard. [slaps self] They can be sarcastic and it should be blatantly evident, but we can't possibly be using sarcasm because it is far too sophisticated a concept for us to employ or recognize. Gotcha.
Now you get this: What was quite evident is the hate behind the sarcasm. THAT'S what they're not joking about.
Posted by: Oyster at September 05, 2005 10:40 AM (YudAC)
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From what I've seen of their postings, I don't believe they're capable of such a subtle concept. They mostly seem like angry kids to me, semi-literate and feral.
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Chief Justice William Rehnquist
Dead at 80
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this should be very interesting to see how the Democrats take this on...they will take advantage of all the turmoil going on to try and get one of their own on the Supreme Court...let the games begin
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 11:37 PM (hcN1S)
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First of all, may he rest in peace. Second, wow, what an unprecedented opportunity. I have been an atheist for a long time now, but I'm starting to lose faith in my lack of faith. I can only stand so much coincidence, then I have to wonder; rationalist or not.
It seems that everything that happens, and which looks bad at first, turns out for the better. But still, I've decided to order another couple thousand rounds, just in case it gets a little too interesting before it's all sorted out.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:47 PM (0yYS2)
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Sad to see him go. He was a good man.
(Bush did it to take the headlines away from Katrina)
Posted by: Ariya at September 04, 2005 12:40 AM (noCGr)
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Ariya - I hope that was playful sarcasm.
Posted by: Oyster at September 04, 2005 06:59 AM (YudAC)
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I have a nominee: Ann Coulter.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 08:37 AM (0yYS2)
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Vinnie smokes Howie on the scoop by 12 hrs way to go Vinnie.
Posted by: Howie at September 04, 2005 09:13 AM (D3+20)
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not Ann, IM, she has been caught in too many lies i think....Michael Savage would be my nominee...kick ass
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 04, 2005 09:31 AM (hcN1S)
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Lies, you say? That's impossible, she's not a dhimmicrat. I think you mean exaggerated rhetoric and hyperbole, not to mention a dash of the ol' fiery invective. She's a pot-stirrer, and she says what needs said, even if it's not exactly 100% factual. She is our lightning rod, and we need her. I need her. But that's another post...
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APSA Blogging, Day 4: Moonbats in the Academy
The American Political Science Association has invited the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies and Director of the notoriously antisemetic Middle East Institute at Columbia University to give tonight's keynote address.
Rashid Khalidi will speak on 'Resurrecting Empire', also the title of his latest 'academic' book. The thesis of the book boils down to the Iraq War being about a Neocon right-wing conspiracy to protect the interests of Israel. Khalidi, like many I'm-not-antisemetic-I'm-just-pointing-out-the-fact-that-there-are-a-lot-of-Jews-in-the-Bush-administration-who-are-really-pulling-the-strings-of-power political scientists also puts oil interests at the center of this conspiracy. Of course, the Jewish Neo-Con conspiracy isn't really a conspiracy because, you know, conspiracies are secret and every one knows that the Jews control Washington's foreign policy.
Everyone in the Administration has some connection to oil, and even Condi Rice is somehow being personally enriched by the War.
I would like to think that the American Political Science Association has sunk to a new low inviting this conspiratorial moonbat to give a keynote address. Unfortunately, the practice is common place in the academy. The neo-conspiracy theories of the Left, couched in academic language, will probably be well received by the audience. Any one who questions the appropriateness of including Khalidi in the program will be branded an advocate of censorship and a Brownshirt trying to quash academic freedom.
The address will be tonight at 8:30 in Salon 1 at the Washington, D.C. Marriott-Woodman Park (near the Zoo). I'll be the guy sitting in the first row, wearing the anti-Bushitlerhaliburton mind probe tin foil hat.
More on Rashid Khalidi can be found at the Little Green Footballs archives
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Take a supply of Depends Undergarments, Dr. Rusty. You'll need them.
Posted by: Bubbe at September 03, 2005 10:18 AM (cbAi4)
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"The thesis of the book boils down to the Iraq War being about a Neocon right-wing conspiracy to protect the interests of Israel"
I'm so sure.
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 10:19 AM (Z3mEP)
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It's the Joos. Always the Joos.
Posted by: Rusty at September 03, 2005 11:04 AM (/AEb8)
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youll know youre in trouble, Rusty, when Mikey Moore and Cindy Sheenan show up as guest speakers...use the cyanide capsules at discretion...good luck Jim, this message will self-destruct in 5 seconds
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And now--live from APSA--Rashid Khalidi with special guest Kanye West!
Come on, Rusty. AIR HORN. You know you can do it.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 03, 2005 12:06 PM (Egj23)
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Rusty:
I don't get the Edward Said keynote address bit - the man died 2 years ago.
Posted by: Ben at September 03, 2005 01:59 PM (KoGHy)
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There is an endowed 'Edward Said' chair, that Khalidi holds. The reference to Said in the second paragraph is a typo. I blame it on the borrowed Mac I'm working on. It's been fixed.
Posted by: Rusty at September 03, 2005 02:40 PM (rvKkN)
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Is the Tri-Lateral Commission also composed of Jews?
Posted by: matoko kusanagi at September 03, 2005 03:27 PM (uvoYj)
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It's all Jews, matoko, they're everywhere. EVERYWHERE I TELL YOU!!! They're behind everything from 9/11 to soggy cereal. In fact, it was Jews that caused the hurricane so that they could raise gas prices, and Jews are slowing the relief efforts. Jew Jew, Jew Jew, Jew Jew Jew. If you don't believe me, just ask Our Blessed Lady of the Ditch, Cindy Sheehan, she got the memo. The only defense is a hat made of aluminum foil, so let's all go buy some before the Jews raise the prices on that too!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 04:38 PM (0yYS2)
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add in Bush as well as the Jews, IM....you can blame Bush and the Jews from Adam and Eve being kicked out of the Garden of Eden to Huricane Katrina, according to liberals/leftists....where will the idiocy of the left stop
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 06:19 PM (hcN1S)
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It isn't just the left...ever heard of white nationalists? According to them, the whole country is the result of some pro-israel-zionist conspiracy.
Right...
Posted by: Sheila at September 03, 2005 08:30 PM (MW0lp)
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if you mean the Nazi party, Sheila, they are part of the left
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Thanks for nailing that Thanos. I am constantly amazed that most people don't know, or won't acknowledge, that "Nazi" is simply a contraction of "National Socialist", and that Hitler was a big liberal.
And by the way, the white nationalists aren't one unified bloc, but rather the opposite; they are fractious and factional, mainly because of extremists like David Duke, of which all "blue staters" should be proud, because if they all unified under one banner, they could take over the country in a week. Something to remember when you start talking revolution and such, tvarisch; be careful what you wish for, for you shall surely receive it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:58 PM (0yYS2)
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Oh, I dodn't know that.
I thought they were right...they claim they are.
Whatever
Posted by: Sheila at September 04, 2005 12:43 PM (MW0lp)
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Think of the political spectrum not as a line or an arc, but rather a sphere. If you start from any point and travel far enough in any direction, you will end up on the opposite side. The extremes of "right" and "left" are not opposites, but really the same thing. The reason that the Nazi's are considered Right and Communists Left is that they traveled in different directs to arrive at the same place: Tyranny.
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A Not-So-Sunny Day in the Capital
I won't elaborate, but I'm now completely convinced that we're in a war with "the liberals" (meaning, the Social Democrats) just as much as we're in a war with "irreconcibable Islam." I'm also beginning to think that, at least as an organizing principle, we ought to start pushing to change the "working Capital" of the US from DC to Omaha, Nebraska. And it's not that I hate Omaha all that much, but it's a lot closer to the "middle" of the country than any place else I can think of, in just about every way I can imagine.
And the parking lots are epic.
Keep DC as a symbolic totem.
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"And the parking lots are epic."
There has to be a word to describe a statement that perfectly describes something, yet is still an understatement. That was beautiful, almost a haiku.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 09:15 AM (0yYS2)
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"I'm also beginning to think that, at least as an organizing principle, we ought to start pushing to change the "working Capital" of the US from DC to Omaha, Nebraska."
It would put them closer to those disaster prone red states.
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 10:20 AM (Z3mEP)
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Yea, but see, actus .... that's part of our neo-con agenda. Now that you've figured it out, we'll have to change our evil plans.
Posted by: Oyster at September 03, 2005 11:02 AM (YudAC)
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Disaster prone red states eh? Soooo then, Kalifornistan is a red state now, as about 90% of all North American natural disasters happen there?
By the way, rectus, I can imagine what you would sound like if you spoke those words, and my bet is that your a lisper.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:56 AM (0yYS2)
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i worry more each day that goes by if there will be a civil war in the US...i mean, the left gets more and more aggressive and nasty with each passing incident, and they also get more crazy and desperate as well...something has to give some day soon...the pressure is building up in this country, gas prices, the war on terror, hurricane damage in the south, etc...the left attacks everything that moves and blames Bush for everything it seems....its absolutelty apparent that these people{leftists/liberals} have gone completly insane in their hate for Bush and America in general...i never thought id live to see this come to pass and i worry what the world will be like for all our children...its scary
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 12:03 PM (hcN1S)
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You think we're at war, but you won't elaborate as to why?
Thanks a lot, buddy.
(Psst...you can tell me!)
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"Disaster prone red states eh? Soooo then, Kalifornistan is a red state now, as about 90% of all North American natural disasters happen there?"
Disaster prone blue states too. Easy to go get a photo op.
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 01:55 PM (Z3mEP)
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Ordinarily I would blow this off. After watching the racist comments on TV about the help going to New Orleans, I am leaning your way.
Posted by: From the Swamp at September 03, 2005 02:58 PM (7evkT)
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Doc - You would like Lincoln better. It is a "college town". But if you love America and hate liberals maybe not.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 03, 2005 03:16 PM (03F0I)
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I'm not worried that there'll be a civil war; I'm counting on it, it's the only way we'll ever get rid of the liberals, muslims, hippies, and other scum that are trying to kill our great nation. Considering that most gun owners are on "our side", I'm not really worried about who'll win, but I do wonder what we'll do with all the stinking corpses, because there'll be millions of 'em.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 04:44 PM (0yYS2)
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Rod - - UN is not nearly as anti America as UC or its branches in LA, Santa Cruz or Santa KBarbara. More like an Ivy League America hater.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:11 PM (LbyCD)
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Sorry, but all of the pointy headed pseudointellectual preening gasbags can stay in DC, they ain't coming to my town.
I should smack you for even suggesting it.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at September 03, 2005 05:20 PM (Kr6/f)
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it seems....its absolutelty apparent that these people{leftists/liberals} have gone completly insane in their hate for Bush and America in general...i never thought id live to see this come to pass and i worry what the world will be like for all our children...its scary.
There's really only one comparable situation: the Copperhead movement during the US Civil War, when folks had the same over-the-top reaction to Lincoln.
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You think we're at war, but you won't elaborate as to why?
Well, I'll put it this way: There's a reason why Rusty needs to remain anonymous.
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But you could prepare them a warm welcome, Vinnie. Very warm. I suggest a ring of ditches around the city, filled with gas and diesel, and concealed until they are right on top of them, but hey, use whatcha got.
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Sorry, but all of the pointy headed pseudointellectual preening gasbags can stay in DC, they ain't coming to my town.
I should smack you for even suggesting it.
I don't know, you might actually like some of the intellectuals at AEI, Heritage, etc. Truth is, must of the
real gasbags are at places like Harvard, UCSD, etc.
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Gasbags. I like that. I think I'll be using it myself in the future.
Nin and I will be selling everything when we're ready to retire. Make ourselves totally liquid and move to Oregon. I know there are a lot of gasbags in Oregon, but there are also a lot of places to hide from them.
And on a side note - if it ever did come to war here, I'd definately want IM on my side.
Posted by: Oyster at September 04, 2005 07:41 AM (YudAC)
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"I'm not worried that there'll be a civil war; I'm counting on it, it's the only way we'll ever get rid of the liberals, muslims, hippies, and other scum that are trying to kill our great nation. Considering that most gun owners are on "our side", I'm not really worried about who'll win, but I do wonder what we'll do with all the stinking corpses, because there'll be millions of 'em."
Your panties are really tied up in a bunch heh?
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 10:33 AM (QPrcU)
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My panties are in a bunch? Is that honestly the best you can do rectus? Jesus H., you people just suck at any sort of substantive debate, don't you? Come on now, don't you even have a little Marxist dialectic for me? Not even something about the intelligentsia saving the proles from the filthy bourgeois capitalist Joooooooz? Hell, you didn't even mention Chimpy McHallibushitler. No Rovian conspiracies? Nothing about Big Oil? No Black Helicopters™? What's the matter with you? You're not a very good liberal, are you?
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"Jesus H., you people just suck at any sort of substantive debate, don't you?
Whats the substantive debate on your little civil war? Panties in a bunch is really the only explanation.
"Come on now, don't you even have a little Marxist dialectic for me?"
That would be substantive to you?
"What's the matter with you? You're not a very good liberal, are you?"
I do hope you fight your civil war my friend. I really really do. Can you start with me?
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Hot air is the product of liberal politicians and eco-wackos
Posted by: sandpiper at September 05, 2005 09:00 PM (JyNSh)
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Thanks for the offer, but I don't know where you live, and it probably isn't close to me, so I doubt it. Fact is, you'll probably be killed by a gang of rampaging savages long before you ever meet someone like me, that is unless you run to us for protection, which you probably will, as it's always the big bad evil white men with guns that have to sort things out when it all goes to shit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 05, 2005 09:05 PM (0yYS2)
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"Thanks for the offer, but I don't know where you live, and it probably isn't close to me, so I doubt it."
I live in DC. Come start your civil war in my neighborhood. There are some big bad men here for you.
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If you thought there was something eerily familiar about Kanye West's ranting in front of an embarrassed Michael Myers, well, so did Tony B at More than Loans. Yes,
it was an SNL skit once upon a time, with Heather Locklear in the Kanye West role, and Myers standing there looking flabbergasted.
Tony links to one of several versions of this video going around. This one, hosted at riehlworldview.com, is the best because you see Chris Tucker looking equally astonished before stumbling into his script.
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Myers is probably gonna need therapy after that one. NBC is apologizing their butts off saying his words do not reflect their views. Too late. Did they bother to read any of his lyrics beforehand?
Posted by: Oyster at September 03, 2005 08:38 AM (YudAC)
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Mr. West should spend an hour with Robert Byrd.
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Ooooh, Filthy. Good idea. Give him a choice of who to spend an evening with, Byrd or Bush.
What's telling about his impromptu speech is how he said he felt bad about shopping for food and hadn't yet, himself, given for N.O. relief and "... so now I'm calling my business manager, right now, to see what is, what is, the biggest amount I can give ..."
So while he's ranting and criticizing, he hasn't even yet donated anything himself. After FIVE DAYS! What an asshole. And he can't donate anything without calling his business manager first?
Posted by: Oyster at September 03, 2005 09:19 AM (YudAC)
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Let's see here, let me parse the words and distill the real message: IT'S DA WHITE MAN'S FAULT!!! WHITEY'S KEEPIN' US BLACK FOLK DOWN!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:12 AM (0yYS2)
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Since the guy's known for ranting, someone should have had their hand on the mute/beep button and not stuck up their ass.
Posted by: Willow at September 03, 2005 11:34 AM (jh16G)
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I think he was right on message. Did anyone else notice that for a someone who is supposed to be good with words, he sure has a helluva hard time speaking English? If you go to his website and listen to some of his babble, it's not hard to understand why.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 11:58 AM (0yYS2)
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was this on SNL???...i havent watched it in years as its not even funny anymore...i gave up on it after the Adam Sandler years...its more embarrasing than funny now when i do happen to flip to it and watch for a few seconds and i just shake my head and continue on...
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 03, 2005 12:13 PM (hcN1S)
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If NBC really doe not hate America why do they have so many America haters as hosts and "pundits"? Start with Tim. Add Keith. Want more? Their "apology" rings hollow. More like CYA.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:16 PM (LbyCD)
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Anyone in here live near or in NOLA?
Posted by: osamabeenswimmin' at September 03, 2005 07:42 PM (YoIhQ)
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okay sorry all, my bad....i saw the video clip....what an ass this guy made of himself on national tv....poor Mike and Chris looked like they didnt know what to do or say....someone should have yanked this guy from out in front of the camera...sure Kayne, start a race war now, blame it ALLLLL on the white man as always and i bet Jesse and Al are running to his side to back him up...the freakin Three Stooges take New Orleans....what a sick sight...Mike Meyers looked like he was going to walk away and Chris looked like he was shell shocked...and from what ive looked up on this Kayne guy, he likes to shoot off his big mouth...he might have "some" talent but not any brain to think with, just a big mouth to shoot off...once again the left shows its true talent
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I'm telling you guys, now is the time to buy guns if you don't already have them, and I'm not talking about duck guns and deer rifles, but AK's with about a couple thousand rounds. These idiots are going to keep on agitating until the natives go off the reservations, then it'll be too late to try to buy a gun, because the Feds will shut down the gun stores pronto.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 12:03 AM (0yYS2)
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Impy, screw your race-war gel in ya pants dreams. Even heartless racists like Klanrooster are getting screwed over by the scene. The bodies are piled up down the highway. Army Times speaks of and "insurgency" in the city, up-armored humvees and combat ops. WTF?! Two Gulf Wars??
PS My name is Downing Street Memo, and I got a new IP address (still in Seoul) and just couldn't take the hint the last time I was banned from commenting here. I love George W. Bush; he is like a brother to me and I have fondle drea-umm fond dreams of someday meeting him and having him shake my hand. I wear women's clothing and I smell like leprous goats. I wish I could be a Zionist Neocon and work for Halliburton, but I'm just not cool enough or smart enough. Hooray for me! I am the Downing Street Memo.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 04, 2005 01:59 AM (Kvd1l)
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Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...
Nagin failed to follow his own disaster manual, and that's why folks who couldn't get out didn't get out. But it's easier to blame whitey, and to say "Bush hates black people." FUCKING MORONS would be too generous a description for these Libs and bushitler haters.
Posted by: Carlos at September 04, 2005 11:01 AM (8e/V4)
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You forgot riverboats, ships, freight rail. NO is a massive transport hub even without counting roads. All those Mississippi riverboats (many are berthed in NO) sailed up river for protection (empty of course).
Posted by: hondo nyc at September 04, 2005 03:31 PM (4Gtyc)
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Isn't freedom of speech wonderful? With it, one can fashion a perfect rope with which to hang oneself; an art which the leftards, race baiters, and poverty pimps have long since mastered, only they keep forgetting that they don't have sole control over media content anymore, and so they keep stepping into the noose and kicking at the props. And just as telling, by way of demonstrating how absolutely wrong they are, is the fact that they aren't all rounded up and shot for their impudence, as they would be in one of their beloved Marxist dictatorships. Maybe they'd all be happier in Zimbabwe? I'd gladly pay passage, one way, for anyone who wants to go, as long as they renounce their citizenship and sign a declaration of same, but somehow, I don't think I'll get any takers. I wonder why not...
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See-Dubya, I appreciate the link and thank you for stopping by.
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Time Is Your Enemy
Get in on Phin's auctioning off of a custom blog design. Scratch that, get in on Phin's auction of TWO blog designs.
As an added bonus, Pixy Misa is throwing in your very own colony in MuNuvia.
All proceeds will go to the American Red Cross, or a charity of the winning bidders' choice.
What the hell are you staring at this for, git goin'!!!!!!!
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Georgia Suspends State Gas Tax
Woo-Hoo!
Good news! Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue today announced that, effective at midnight tonight and running until the end of September, no state gasoline taxes will be collected. Perdue expects stations to drop their prices up to 15 cents per gallon within hours. Those stations that don't pass on the savings to consumers will be singled out for investigations by the Department of Revenue and Office of Consumer Affairs.
I suppose it's not necessary to mention that Gov. Perdue is running for re-election next year and he timed his announcement to run live on Georgia TV news broadcasts. It's also probably not necessary to mention that the suspension in tax collection is more a political play than an economic benefit.
Hey, but it's better than nothing.
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Dumb move. Price controls, suspending taxs etc do nothing but interfere with the natural supply/demand balance. High prices cause less demand which cause higher supply and a lowering of cost. Let the system work. Tinkering always produces the opposite of the desired result.
Posted by: traderrob at September 02, 2005 06:51 PM (3al54)
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Yes, but people like tinkering, even if it only serves to make things worse. This is why Congress is allowed to exist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 07:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Isn't taxing it in the first place "tinkering with the market"?
Posted by: abberblab at September 02, 2005 08:37 PM (kJcST)
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Over a period of time the base tax becomes integrated into the commodity value structure. Only raising/lowering that tax would have an "artificial" effect and disrupt the supply/demand equilibrium.
Posted by: traderrob at September 02, 2005 09:22 PM (3al54)
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How to bug the envirmentalist wackos repeal all gas tax so there wont to all that moola for their dumb programs what a bunch of wussies
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 10:11 PM (QtdTZ)
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At least he's not doing like in Hawaii, where they're putting wholesale price caps in place. Yeah, *that'll* keep the gas stations supplied!
Columnist Thomas Sowell once made a good point that price is not the same thing as cost. Price is what pays for cost. Most people don't understand that, and most politicians count on most people not understanding that.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at September 02, 2005 10:54 PM (Q5C2f)
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Yep, price is not the same as cost, and money has no value, but is simply representative of value. It's all part of the pesky free market supply and demand thing, but the average liberal idiot has no knowlege of such things, as they all studied Marxist Economics in college.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 03, 2005 12:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Yeah, taxes should follow their natural course without interference from legislators. With the tax in place four days ago, there was no gas in this city (Augusta,GA). Fortunately, it disappeared so quickly there was't much time for price gouging. The cause wasn't exactly an economic law, neither was the absence of gasoline solved by one.
They fixed the pipeline.
Gasoline is now back and (somehow) it's actually twenty cents cheaper than it was this morning. But since Sonny Perdue had to go and get himself involved in the natural order of things here, I'll keep you all posted on the inevitable hoarding, scarcity, and price increases in the next few days.
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APSA Blogging, Day #3: Claremont Roundtable: Bloggers and the Future of American Politics

Above (click for larger image): Paul Mirengoff of Powerline speaks at the American Political Science Association. Next to Paul (from left to right) is John Klenker of the Claremont Review of Books, Scott Johnson, also of Powerline, Peter Cannellos, of the Boston Globe, and Bill Gertz, of the Washington Times. (Bad photo, I know, but it's from a camera phone). Charmaine of Reasoned Audacity sat right behind me and has a few better photos here.
Report from the panel: Wasn't able to stick around and meet Paul or Scott from Powerline because I had to rush off to a job interview.
Two memorable observations from the panel. First, a heated exchange betwen Peter Cannelos and Scott Johnson.
more...
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How cool Rusty! I'm sorry we missed meeting you -- but good luck on the job interview!!
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I was sitting right next to Charmaine. And I really wanted to meet you, too. How did the job interview go?
I feel very fortunate that I got to meet Scott and Charmaine. I thought Peter Cannellos was a wee tad defensive in his response to Scott. When he mentioned that *all* journalists have "an ethical revulsion" towards omitting information that would change the tenor of a story, I couldn't help thinking about MO'D and her ellipses and the more recent dowdification of quotes from Condi Rice. I guess ethical revulsion only applies to some journalists?
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Homegrown Islamic Terrorists Arrested
(Los Angeles) Four homegrown Islamic terrorists identified as members of the radical group Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh, or JIS, have been arrested for conspiring to attack military facilities, synagogues, and other targets in California.
From The Mercury-News:
Four suspects were charged Wednesday with conspiring to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism. Named in the federal indictment were Levar Haley Washington, 25; Gregory Vernon Patterson, 21; Hammad Riaz Samana, 21; and Kevin James, 29.
All but Samana, a Pakistani national, are American born and Muslim converts. Counterterrorism officials have found no evidence directly connecting the group - described as the cell of a California prison gang of radical Muslims - to al-Qaida or other foreign terror networks.
Law enforcement officials and terrorism experts said it could represent one of the first Islamic terrorism cases involving U.S. natives without those connections.
Among the counts in the indictment, the four face
charges of conspiracy to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism, kill armed service members, and murder foreign officials.
The founder of Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh is California State Prison inmate Kevin James (aka Shakyh Shahaab Murshid) who preaches terror to Islam's enemies. Followers apparently pledged loyalty to James "until death by martyrdom."
Interestingly, the plotters were exposed only after they were arrested for an unrelated series of gas station robberies. Subsequent searches of their possessions found weapons, ammunition, and plans for the attacks. In other words, the authorities were lucky to catch these fanatics before they acted.
"Make no mistake about it -- we dodged a bullet here, perhaps many bullets," Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton said at a news conference.
I need to be reminded why we allow convicts to spew murderous religious dogma in prison. Despite what the ACLU professes, I can't imagine the framers of the Constitution were thinking of radical, thug Islam when they drafted the Bill of Rights.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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Since the ethnicity of the "American" muslims wasn't mentioned, I'll assume they were black. I beg someone to prove otherwise, but until then, I'll just chalk this up as more evidence that many, if not most blacks, are actively anti-American, and anti-civilization, and I think the recent activity in New Orleans supports this assertion. Call me racist, but if it quacks like a duck, call it a duck, and I think Thomas Sowell would agree here.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 02:45 PM (0yYS2)
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IM aren't you playing that card a bit much this week? I've met people from all over the world and of all colors. Black not = n word just as white not = sensible. I see your point but it reflects badly on you. Trash is trash no matter the color. You know I like you dude but sheesh.
PS please don't shoot me.
Posted by: Howie at September 02, 2005 03:02 PM (D3+20)
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How am I "playing the card", when it's blacks who are raping, looting, and shooting at helicopters, and who started screaming "racism" before the storm had even passed? All this PC bullshit is just that, and we know what's happening and who's doing it. If people want to keep their head buried in the sand, then fine, but don't expect me to as well.
Yeah, trash is trash, but how many white people have you seen on the news carrying stolen merchandise? Not too damned many, and it isn't because of the "racist" media, because the media won't show black people in a bad light if they can help it.
People can bleat along with all the other PC sheep all they want, but I'm done with apologetics, and I'm not going to pretend it isn't real.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 03:13 PM (0yYS2)
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Correction - - I think I recall reading in LAT a month or two ago that the crimes leading to their arrest were committed to fund terrorism. Not unrelated.
The question now is can the ACLU find these guys a judge like the guy who handled the terrorist who snuck in across the Canadian border to blow up LAX 5 years ago. If so they will only get a slap on the wrist and credit for time served.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 02, 2005 03:28 PM (03F0I)
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Improbulus Maximus,
Plenty of whites are looting. It is just that the media shows them as "finding" things rather than looting. It is ony the blacks who actually "loot."
Are you a member of SF? You should go there and rant, all of them are just like you.
Posted by: Sheila at September 02, 2005 05:28 PM (P9mdt)
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Sheila, what is your source that "plenty of whites are looting"? Or are you just assuming that so you can be a good liberal apologist? You stupid whore, New Orleans is 67% black, and everyone has stated that the vast majority of people left are black, so where do "plenty" of whites come from? You goddamned liberals all need hanged by the neck until dead, and I'm stockpiling rope for that glorious day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 07:23 PM (0yYS2)
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yeah those are blacks looting, most of those left are black, the police chief trying to keep order is black people who need aid are black.. they're still people, good and bad, despite all the BS you spew.
get your shit together..
Posted by: Ren at September 02, 2005 09:56 PM (7ZsmI)
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Hey do you think the ACLU will be there to defend them? they always want to defend anyone who isnt christain
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 10:13 PM (QtdTZ)
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IM, you are the biggest bastard I have ever met.
Go to stormfront, they need a new asshole to brainwash.
Posted by: Sheila at September 02, 2005 10:28 PM (P9mdt)
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in a way i agree with IM...lemme tell you something here, i was talking with a bunch of my co-workers, majority of them are black and to a man all the black guys said they woould be looting and when i asked them why they said, why not???...i was shocked and so were the other two white co-workers...than the black guys said that since the police were looting as well that it must be okay to loot...you tell me....EVERY SINGLE pic i have seen in my newspaper here in NJ and the two NY papers i check out at work had pics of looters grabbing up sneakers, jeans, sports clothing, tv's and guess what color they all were???...the pics of white people showed them laying on the ground or holding onto family members...i can totally understand anyone and color makes no differnce if they are trying to get needed food and drink, no problem, you need them to just survive, but tell me, why the hell are you gonna take a tv, or stereo or DVD player when there is no power, no city and no one probally has any money...the entire area is under water, destroyed and these knuckleheads are looting electronics...helloooo??!!?
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 02, 2005 11:11 PM (hcN1S)
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What is IM really saying? That black people should be shot? No. The majority of people there happen to be black, hence the larger proportion of black looters.
Is he saying that all looters should be shot--black or white? Yes.
Who disagrees?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at September 03, 2005 07:39 AM (j3Yph)
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Just because they're black doesn't autmatically make them thugs or looters. Make a difference between right and wrong.
Posted by: Ren at September 03, 2005 10:35 AM (7ZsmI)
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Do not let them get the same judge that got the illegal alien who tried to blow up LAX 5 years ago. They will be back on the streets in 09.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:28 PM (LbyCD)
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I love how the libtards can never refute anything I say, but rather just snivel and whine. Let me clariffy a couple of things:
Yes, I'm the biggest bastard you will ever meet, if you are so unlucky to do so; I can kill a liberal with facts and logic from fifty yards, and few walk away from me without limping from the pain in their shiny new asshole, freshly torn, by me.
Anyone who shoots at their rescuers, loots, rapes, etc., during a disaster, is not a human being, but a subhuman who needs to be expurged for the good of society and the gene pool, as does anyone who excuses such behavior because of skin color.
I don't give a good flying damn what someone's skin color is; never have, never will. I'm a rationalist, and I understand that skin color is meaningless superficiality, but it's behavior that counts, because behavior, especially during times of crisis, tells you all you need to know about someone. What was it someone said about wanting their children to be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character? Whoever said that was obviously prejudiced against blacks, wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 12:16 AM (0yYS2)
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Dammit IM, had me thinking you're some kind of racist.. Well, you got it going right, I really don't disagree.
A disaster is no excuse for thuggery and looting and your colour ain't going to make it right. Some coloured and the libs will take every opportunity to play the THE-OPPRESSED-COLOURED-VICTIM card calling out about general racism and oppression being apologetic about everything, it's very *ss backward and doesn't lead to anything, just makes them look very stupid & retarded. Of course, that won't stop them from doing it anyway and I wish them the best of luck.
Posted by: Ren at September 04, 2005 07:43 AM (7ZsmI)
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I'm not a racist, I'm a civilizationalist; I respect those who can behave as civilized people, and despise those who behave as savages or condone savagery. I don't make the demographics of reality, but I do see them clearly.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 04, 2005 07:09 PM (0yYS2)
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Anyone want to defend Chavez on this one
Chavez is moving to consolidate power again. Yes the democratically elected President and self appointed Dictator of Venezuela is after control of that country's banking system.
A continuation of left-wing President Hugo Chavez's aim to create "socialism of the 21st Century", a number of foreign banks would be affected. Among them are Spanish institutions Banco Santander and BBVA. Both own Venezuelan banks - Banco de Venezuela and Banco Provincial respectively.
Hat tip: California Conservative.
Yeah I know but I'm waiting on a machine right now.
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Don't call him Hugo.
Call him
THugo Chavez!
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at September 02, 2005 01:44 PM (8NokC)
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Actually, I know someone who would defend him. Some crazy lefty cracker from Australia that frequents my site. heh, THugo.
Posted by: tyler at September 02, 2005 02:57 PM (Y9Lwb)
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Oh you mean that one guy with the three letter name. where is he anyway?
Posted by: Howie at September 02, 2005 04:40 PM (D3+20)
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adolf hitler lives and he has plenty of support from the liberal nit wits in the left-wing news media we should indeed consiter the suggestion from PAT ROBERTSON
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 10:16 PM (QtdTZ)
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Hugo Chavez is Fidel Castro's mini-me
Posted by: THANOS35 at September 02, 2005 11:12 PM (hcN1S)
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Do you guys know that Chavez through citgo donated 1 million for Katrina relief?
Even this sond of a bitch has more brain that our idiotic liberals!
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Anonymous NYT Author at it Again
Whomever
this author is (whom is obviously afraid to sign his work), just couldn't resist taking a few potshots at the war through the hurricane.
The situation in New Orleans, which had seemed as bad as it could get, became considerably worse yesterday with reports of what seemed like a total breakdown of organized society. Americans who had been humbled by failures in Iraq saw that the authorities could not quickly cope with a natural disaster at home. People died for lack of water, medical care or timely rescues - particularly the old and the young - and victims were almost invariably poor and black. The city's police chief spoke of rapes, beatings and marauding mobs. The pictures were equally heartbreaking and maddening. Disaster planners were well aware that New Orleans could be flooded by the combined effects of a hurricane and broken levees, yet somehow the government was unable to immediately rise to the occasion.
Watching helplessly from afar, many citizens wondered whether rescue operations were hampered because almost one-third of the men and women of the Louisiana National Guard, and an even higher percentage of the Mississippi National Guard, were 7,000 miles away, fighting in Iraq. That's an even bigger loss than the raw numbers suggest because many of these part-time soldiers had to leave behind their full-time jobs in police and fire departments or their jobs as paramedics. Regardless of whether they wear public safety uniforms in civilian life, the guardsmen in Iraq are a crucial resource sorely missed during these early days, when hours have literally meant the difference between evacuation and inundation, between civic order and chaos, between life and death.
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The gap is now belatedly being filled by units from other states, though without the local knowledge and training those Mississippi and Louisiana units could supply. The Pentagon is sending thousands of active-duty sailors and soldiers, including a fully staffed aircraft carrier, a hospital ship and some 3,000 Army troops for security and crowd control (even though federal law bars regular Army forces from domestic law enforcement, normally the province of the National Guard).
But it's already a very costly game of catch-up. The situation might have been considerably less dire if all of Louisiana's and Mississippi's National Guard had been mobilized before the storm so they could organize, enforce and aid in the evacuation of vulnerable low-lying areas. Plans should have been drawn up for doing so, with sufficient trained forces available to carry them out.
Let's look back through history. Florida has had three, four? hurricanes, just this year. How many cases of looting and anarchy did you see? I don't recall any, although to think that nobody stole anything after a natural disaster is probably a little naive. But the fact is, there was order and control there. And guess what? They have National Guard soldiers in Iraq as well. So I'd have to say that the entire gist of this article has just fallen flat.
Of course I'm sure that they can then turn around and argue that this disaster is worse than anything Florida faced, but I'm not so sure that will hold water either. Except for the massive flooding, I've seen Florida sustain some pretty bad damage. But even the flooding doesn't excuse what's going on.
The looting started the day that the rain stopped. There was no time for societial deteroriation due to lack of leadership. If people were starting to loot NOW, I might be inclined to agree with that. But when you go out and start stealing stuff the minute the rain stops falling, you're just looking to steal stuff. Especially when that stuff is name brand clothes, TVs, radios and other non-consumables. You liberals need to get used to the fact that, try as you might, you simply can't blame a natural disaster on Bush. He didn't cause it, he couldn't stop it, and he is now reacting to it. That's about the best you could ask for out of anyone. So pull your head out of your backside and realize that there are people of the United States that need your help. Not your preaching about how Bush is evil. Try pulling together and let's see what we can do. We did it after 9/11 and I'm sure, if you try hard enough, you can put your Bush-hate aside and join us in rebuilding the lives that have been devistated by this.
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Posted by: Howie at September 02, 2005 10:07 AM (D3+20)
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The NY Times could just as easily make the argument that the reason it is so bad in NO, is that it is a city infested with Democrats. That argument would be just as wrong. Do you suppose the large amounts of methamphetamines these clowns are ingesting is affecting their ability to thing reasonably or is it more likely just a case of liar, liar, pants on fire.
I wish I had a subscription, so I could cancel it.
Posted by: Defense Guy at September 02, 2005 10:36 AM (jPCiN)
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You're right, Drew. The looting and lawlessness started before the physical condition of New Orleans got as bad as it would. And I'm sick and tired of the blame being put on the federal government. What about the local government's preparedness? Unfortunately, too many were too trusting that the good side of people would shine through. Instead, what we see is the result of a history of a lack of policing in a town that has always been known to look the other way for petty crimes such as prostitution and basic lewd behavior among other things. This is the sort of atmosphere that draws the less desirable faction of our society. And these are the people who are inclined to fall further into criminal activity with less provocation.
You'd think that all these years, with so much money pouring into a city from visitors from all around the world, enough of it would have found its way to offering more opportunity for its citizens. Instead it's been used as indiscriminate charity which has kept them poor. There's no good reason or excuse why so many in such a city should be so poor.
It's a crying shame that the decent people of New Orleans have fallen victim to those animals when people really need to pulling together instead of praying on one another.
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 10:47 AM (fl6E1)
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When Katrina went through Florida a few days before it hit New Orleans, it was little more than a tropical storm. By the time it got to the Big Easy, it was right at the line between Category 4 and 5. The damage here is even worse than in Hurricane Andrew in 1992, in which there WAS widespread looting.
I can understand doing what you have to do to survive, but many of these looters weren't taking food and water. They were taking jewelry, electronics, big-ticket items. Where are you going to plug in that flat-screen HDTV and what do you think are you going to watch?
What really disturbed me is the reports of some of the cops actually joining the looters.
I think the ability to keep civil order depends on two main factors: first, the severity of the disaster, and second, the availability of law enforcement resources.
This is the worst natural disaster in the U.S. in a hundred years.
And New Orleans cops have a long standing and well earned reputation for being crooked.
Two plus two.
Posted by: IO ERROR at September 02, 2005 10:49 AM (Emro5)
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Rather that's "preying".
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 10:49 AM (fl6E1)
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Oh, I hate when I forget things. The policy now for the National Guard to deal with looters is "
shoot and kill," according to the governor.
Posted by: IO ERROR at September 02, 2005 10:51 AM (Emro5)
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But Rusty, anyone can see that Bush Hitler and his gang of war criminals caused this calamity to jack the price of oil.
You are just trying to deflect attention from Cindy Sheehan and her war on Bush Hitler.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 02, 2005 10:53 AM (5ceWd)
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New Orleans is famous for its corruption, crooked politicians, and Mob connections - isn't it like Mafia-City South?
I'm concerend that aid going to New Orleans will wind up like aid to Africa - some bossman type is gonna pocket the majority of it.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 02, 2005 10:57 AM (lKqPU)
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Yep, Filty. I just read yesterday that "wasn't it convenient for the neocons that a hurricane hit New Orleans to take the focus off Cindy's plight".
There are some truly despicable people out there.
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 10:59 AM (fl6E1)
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I love how the anonymous communist piece of shit author wrote that the victims were almost all black, but neglected to point out that the criminals are almost all black too. This is what blacks do when nobody can stop them; rape, pillage, and kill. Anywhere that there is a concentration of blacks is a defacto third-world country, and nobody can deny this now.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 11:08 AM (0yYS2)
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I've been reading a lot of message boards and blogs, specifically black oriented ones, and I'm disgusted. Most responses are the standard tripe; they deserve to loot because they're oppressed, and Whitey's getting what he deserves. Blacks are showing that they hate us and would all go on the rampage if they had the excuse. Let them come, I've got lots of ammo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2005 11:17 AM (0yYS2)
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There's a whole bunch of things absolutely, outright wrong (lies?) in the NYT accusations; the issue of the National Guard readiness and capability, to whit such crap as:
The situation might have been considerably less dire if all of Louisiana's and Mississippi's National Guard had been mobilized before the storm
Fact: "In June long before the 2005 hurricane season shifted into overdrive, the state military's second-in-command, Brig. Gen. Hunt Downer, told The Times the Louisiana Army National Guard was practiced and ready to handle the big storms."
and as to strength in numbers, FACT:
"Despite prominent roles in the War on Terror, the states report more than the 50 percent strength mandated for homeland missions. Louisiana has 65 percent of its troops available for state missions; Mississippi, 60 percent; Alabama, 77 percent; and Florida, 74 percent, Guard officials said."
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050830/NEWS01/508300352/1002/NEWS
As to the question of preventive action??
"In 1977, plans for hurricane protection structures at the Rigolets and Chef Menteur Pass were sunk when environmental groups sued the district. They believed that the environmental impact statement did not adequately address several potential problems, including impacts on Lake PontchartrainÂ’s ecosystem and damage to wetlands." (page 4-of-12)(http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/Riverside/Sept-Oct_04_Riv.pdf)
ALL THIS: Hat-tip McQ at QandO Blog: http://www.qando.net/
...unreported is the fact that this project was initially sunk in 1977 by environmentalist lawsuits. And that nothing has been seriously done since then by any administration. That the project is a 25 year project, and had the work begun in the presidency of Jimmy Carter, its possible it wouldn't have been completed in time for Katrina. But no: it's Bush's fault.
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Thank you for that Keith.
Posted by: Oyster at September 02, 2005 12:42 PM (fl6E1)
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You bet Oyster, I'm just sick of all the stupid lies masquerading as editorial fact, spewed forth by the NYT.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 02, 2005 12:47 PM (lKqPU)
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The NYT never misses a chance to denegrate America. Sometimes they take a chance when there is no chance. This is not one of those times. If the Gov lacked the guts to call out the Guard 8/27 Rummy should have done it on 8/28. NO has a history of riots and violence that goes back over a century. This should not be as big a surprise to anyone in any of the governments involved as they are all pretending it is. There are no clean hands here. City, state and federal governments all failed to do their primary job.
Had this been Cerritos, Cal where there has never been a riot I would except their lame excuse and tale of "caught by surprise". It is not! The tales are just plain Bu-- Sh-t. All sleeping at the switch. Cant fire elected officials but should fire Rummy. Malfeasance of the first order. More American dead than the Muslime attacks of 911. No good excuse. Rummy must go.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 02, 2005 12:55 PM (03F0I)
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Money quote:
The situation might have been considerably less dire if all of Louisiana's and Mississippi's National Guard had been mobilized before the storm
Well, there you go; it's all my fault. Where did I put that crystal ball?
There's no doubt that we will learn a lot about relief response - though I'm wondering why this lesson hasn't been learned yet, given the annual hurricane season and the devastation in NC a few years back, and why a city under sea level isn't more prepared. Nonetheless - this should not affect giving and relief support, or empathy for Katrina's victims. Scapegoating and anti-Bush digs are pathetic, and these people should be condemned for letting their cynicism and politics dictate their response.
There are few places on earth without some cyclical phenomena that can endanger and kill people who live there, from the heatwaves in Paris, the tsunamis in the Asian seas, flash floods in the Southwest, earthquakes in South America, droughts in Africa and hurricanes across the southern and tidewater states. Preparation for disaster can always improve, but response and support from neighbors will always be necessary.
So let's do it with a smile and figure out how we can do better as we go along. These people are already at wit's end, surrounded by death and cut off completely from the normal lives they had just a few days ago. They need a humane response.
Posted by: tee bee at September 02, 2005 01:24 PM (q1JHF)
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tee bee:
If all the LA and MS national guard had been mobilized and in the teeth of this storm, we might be talking about a catastrophe of monumental proportions because of the thousands of dead and missing national guardsmen caught in the storm.
Instead, we hear the grousing and shin-kicking.
I wonder if there was a time when we could count on national unity, this would be it. And yet there are still people who would much rather score points than pick up the slack and save lives - even by just calling in a donation to help.
Posted by: lawhawk at September 02, 2005 01:30 PM (AcoYr)
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The NG units did not have to be in New Orleans during the storm. There was plenty of talk about an army base that took some weakened Katrina and did okay. Gov Blanco could have asked to stage the troops there.
This is something that should have been done earlier. It takes at least three days to get a guard unit together. Remember these are weekend warriors.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at September 02, 2005 02:03 PM (8NokC)
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Earthquakes happen out west in California all the time too: Parkfield is a regular laboratory. We also have a problem with dilapidated old levees and under sea-level farmlands in the Sacramento River Delta area all the way down to the SF Bay Area - built during Roosevelt's tenure by the Works Progress Administration, and seasonal rains - and with major Ecoweenie gropups who throw Wetlands lawsuits at any attempt to fix or improve things.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at September 02, 2005 02:34 PM (lKqPU)
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What would have happened if that same hurricane went through New York instead od New Orleans? what would this writter for the NYT do then?
Posted by: sandpiper at September 02, 2005 07:41 PM (O2c+K)
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lawhawk - good point. I was merely in awe of someone peeved that the future had not been foreseen and prepared for. Not that the future wasn't foreseen. But throwing more bodies into the flood is an even dumber answer than government and personal prescience. I'm still looking for my crystal ball...
Posted by: tee bee at September 02, 2005 08:07 PM (q1JHF)
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"Whomever this author is (whom is obviously afraid to sign his work),"
Its an editorial. Its the view of the editorial board. Didn't you ever learn that?
Posted by: actus at September 03, 2005 10:21 AM (Z3mEP)
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So it's an editorial BOARD...not just one guy. So there's like a whole bunch of these f**king wankers at the NYT, not just one.
That's encouraging.
Posted by: JonT at September 03, 2005 02:45 PM (Wkn6F)
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Americans should realize that the rest of the world is looking at them.
Your government just abandonned all the poor people who don't own cars or have enough money to the fate of the elements of Nature. We have much sympathy for all the victims left stranded but we are outraged by the incompetence and cynicism of your leaders. Even in communist Cuba when there is an hurricane (and they have at least a couple every year), everybody vulnerable is sheltered and they have very few victims. Castro himself takes command of the operations unlike your president who prefered to stay in his ranch.
Reading some of the comments here on black people I feel disgusted. It is your government that behaves like a 3rd world country by not taking the necessary steps in time.
Posted by: Michel Meyer at September 03, 2005 04:00 PM (UcEt2)
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Mr Meyer, get a life . . Let's start with the Mayor of New Orleans who has done nothing but carp and cry . . he has displayed all the leadership of a wet mop . . . His Police Chief is a whining crybaby with absolutely no leadership qualities nor management skills . . this isn't because they're Black, but because they're ignorant assholes who would blame anybody else for their inabilities . . add to that a Governor who sat on her wide ass and didn't call out the N.G. until two days after the sun began to shine . . and the "Poor" people were shooting at the rescue copters . . .
But, I'll be on Mr. bush's Ass in a New York minute if they decide to resurrect that "Ghetto in a Ditch" with my tax dollars!
Posted by: large at September 03, 2005 05:25 PM (Ny1Tj)
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The non handling and then the subsequent mishandling of the riots and looting is an international disgrace. The Sec Def must go at a min. Homeland Sec should not be far behind, followed by AG. The worst I have seen by the Fed Govt. since Carter was President. If Bush does not tak action and can Don at least 06 will be bad for the GOP. Almost too incompetent to believe!
I almost think I should have voted for JFK - not really. But this is the worst in 26 years.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at September 03, 2005 05:37 PM (LbyCD)
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New York times editorial - September 1/2005
"While our attention must now be on the Gulf Coast's most immediate needs, the nation will soon ask why New Orleans's levees remained so inadequate. Publications from the local newspaper to National Geographic have fulminated about the bad state of flood protection in this beloved city, which is below sea level. Why were developers permitted to destroy wetlands and barrier islands that could have held back the hurricane's surge? Why was Congress, before it wandered off to vacation, engaged in slashing the budget for correcting some of the gaping holes in the area's flood protection?"
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New York Times editorial - April 2005
"Anyone who cares about responsible budgeting and the health of America's rivers and wetlands should pay attention to a bill now before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The bill would shovel $17 billion at the Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and other water-related projects — this at a time when President Bush is asking for major cuts in Medicaid and other important domestic programs. Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences...This is a bad piece of legislation."
Posted by: Robert at September 04, 2005 10:41 PM (0C3or)
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"Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences."
sounds like a bad idea to implement something the experts flunk.
Posted by: actus at September 04, 2005 10:45 PM (QPrcU)
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Of course those editorials don't take into account that every time someone has tried to do something about the levee system in LA, the environmentalists come out and start suing people until they give up. The levees could have been fixed in 1977 if the enviro-weenies hadn't stuck their noses in the process. When you consider that fact alone, it seems rather ludicrous to blame Bush for not doing something about this.
Posted by: Drew at September 05, 2005 04:50 PM (HQiW4)
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"Americans should realize that the rest of the world is looking at them."
"Looking" at us? You're kidding, right? I don't care who's LOOKING AT US.
And comparing us to Cuba? You're kidding again, right? Do you think for one minute Castro would announce to the world how many people die in any given circumstance, natural or otherwise? You've got a lot of growing up to do.
What did you do? Read one anonymous editorial in the New York Times, formulate an opinion and race right over here to berate us? How many other blogs did you run to with the same line of crap? What the hell do you now about who failed who?
Large was right, Mr. Meyer. Get a life.
Posted by: Oyster at September 05, 2005 05:38 PM (YudAC)
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